Can I use Almond or coconut FlourTo make this crust and the sour cream Apple pie
Hi Deborah, you can sub out 1/4 cup of the regular flour and replace with almond flour to make a lovely pie crust. I haven’t tried doing the substitution with coconut flour. As for subbing out all of the flour with either of those? Can’t say, haven’t tried it. I rather think it would not work, but if you do try it, please let us know how it goes for you.
Update from my own comment:The pie crust worked out for me because I was patient with it. The finished pie crust is fantastic! (I put cinnamon/sugar on the scraps and bake for extra yummies).
I’ve made pie crust from shortening recipes as well as french pastry and this was difficult to work with. I also think it was a bit salty judging by tasting the finished dough. The instructions were confusing to me. I even traded off the half cup of all purpose for the almond flour.
I’ve never made a pie crust from scratch before, but this one turned out perfectly.I don’t have a food processor, so I left the butter in the freezer for a while and used a cheese grater to grate curls of butter into the flour. then I sifted it by hand until it was incorporated. after kneading it, I wrapped it and put it in the fridge for a while so the butter wouldn’t melt while I was rolling it and putting it on the pie dish. I also put some foil over the crust for most of the time the pie was in the oven to keep it from burning.
Light, flaky and easy to prepare. I used a double crust for an apple pie, baked it at 425 degrees for 20 minutes then turned the over down to 375 and baked another 35-40 minutes. It was perfect.
OK I’m 74 and never made a pie in my life and this crust was absolutely fantastic!
I’ve made homemade pie crusts before, but just could not get this one down. All of my ingredients were very cold, mixed perfectly, rolled into discs and chilled. Got them out of the fridge and tried to roll them out. The edges would split, so I’d pinch them back together. Then the middle would split. I added more water then more flour then more water. I finally got one rolled out into the perfect crust, Tried to pick it up and it all fell apart. I put it back together with some more water and let it chill for a while… then, you guessed it.. the process repeated. Ended up throwing both crusts out and restarting with another recipe that came out perfect and delicious.
I’ve always thought that handling the dough melts the fat and makes crust tough. Therefore I roll out between two pieces of waxed paper to achieve flaky crust. Everyone comments on my good pie crust.
I have always just brushed milk on top and my pies always come out perfect .
i tried it ,came out perfect
I like my crust to be flaky. Will the egg wash make it firmer and less flaky?
Hi Murielle, the egg wash will not affect the texture of the pie crust, it will only make it a little browner and shinier. By the way, if you want a flaky pie crust, I highly recommend our Sour Cream Pie Crust (http://www.simplyrecipes.com/recipes/sour_cream_pie_crust/). It makes the flakiest pie crust ever!
how long do you bake the all butter pie crust for and at what temperature?
Hello Sarah, it completely depends on the pie recipe you are using.
This has been my go to pie crust recipe for years for my savory pies (pot pies, pasties, etc..) It always turns out amazing!!! Crusty & flaky just like it should be an so easy to make! Thank you!!!
Hi Elise: I had to do an emergency defrost of my frost-free (?) fridge, and I had some frozen peaches — from last harvest of my lone volunteer peach tree, whose genesis was a peach pit from a rotten store-bought fruit, which I chucked off my balcony onto my land here in Spain — that needed a home. The tree is thriving, BTW, and produces the most lovely fruit. So I sucked it up, and decided to bake my very first ever fruit pie. I used your recipe for an all-butter crust, as one does when one has lovely unsalted, unadulterated, butter as we enjoy in Euroland.
Outstanding. Pic attached. (ooops, I can’t attach a pic, and I don’t do Pinterest.)
Thanks, kiddo…I use your recipes, always, faithfully. Steve (’88)
Steve, so good to hear from you! I’m delighted that you made a peach pie with butter-crust. I bet it was outstanding. Yum. Wish I were there.
@Megan – Soggy crusts – two things. either there is too much loose liquid in the filling or the bake time/heat is less than required.
To those commenting on a soggy mess. The key is cold and the mixture. The dough must be cold, after you put in the bottom crust, press it nicely on the edges and keep in the fridge while you do the work on the pie contents. It will happily remain stiff until you are ready to bake. Try this also. For 10″ – 2 cups flour, 2 sticks of cold butter mix it well until they look like crumbs and then mix in 1/2 cup of vanilla yogurt and 2 spoons of sour cream. Reduce salt and add sugar (for sweet pies)
Did not work at all for me. I’m thinking there’s way too much butter. Got a soggy mess.
I have a pie crust question. I have used this recipe with a lot of success, as with many recipes on your site, which is why I’m writing here. My grandma made apple pie this thanksgiving- twice because she re-made it. And both times the *top* and bottom crusts were soggy. She has made this apple pie recipe for 40 years without problems and was in her home, using her usual oven. Do you have any ideas as to how a top crust could possibly become soggy?
I made 1 and a half batches of the butter/shortening recipe to use for three pumpkin pies. They turned out great (with no mixer, btw). For those who are having difficulty rolling out, I always put my dough disc in between two pieces of wax or parchment paper then roll out. This prevents any sticking, eliminates the need for added flour, which can contribute to dry, cracking edges and for me has been the secret to no-fail crust. Thanks for a great recipe, I may even be brave enough to try your all butter crust next time
Followed instructions exactly. Will not hold together no matter what I do. Have to start over with a better recipe. Waste of ingredients and time.
Just add abit more flour. It doesn’t hold together until you knead it gently. Great recipe. If you over-touch it, just put in feeezer a few minutes again. I rolled it between wax paper.
when ever I make a pie crust, when I roll it out it always starts cracking on the outside of thecrest as I am rolling it. help! Does anyone know the what I may be doing wrong or can anyone give me the secret to how I can stop this from happening?
Hi Larry, that often happens, even if you let the dough sit out for 10 minutes or so after pulling it out of the fridge. When this does happen, just pinch together the split sides with your fingertips and continue.
Do yourself a favor and make cutting in the butter so easy. Freeze the butter first. Chill the mixing bowl and flower in the freezer. Use a box cheese grater to chop up the frozen butter over the chilled flour and mix by hand intermittently. Reechill in freezer a few mins. Sprinkle in water intermittently hand mixing. Pour out on barely floured surface and squeeze into ball. Place in bowl and chill for a half hour. Take out of fridge and resquish into new ball. Roll out immediately on slightly floured surface.
I just made this crust and it came out really flakey. Tasted great. Although I did have a hard time when I rolled each one out as i found that it was not plyable enough so the edges looked like one of those white paper doilys you put under a serving dish….kind of start shape and not a perfect round pie crust. So I ended up filling the voids with more crust mix. Not sure how to overcome that. Also, as an aside, I thought about the health value of a total 9 inch pie that had two whole sticks of butter in it. Yikes!
Hello! Would this pie crust be good for freezing? I’d like to have some on hand for last moment quiches and pies. Thank you!
Sure, just wrap well first in plastic wrap, then again in foil (to keep the plastic wrap from coming off). Should keep in the freezer for at least a month.
I am making an apple and pumpkin pie, which crust should I use?
I would use the sour cream pie crust for the apple pie (http://www.simplyrecipes.com/recipes/sour_cream_pie_crust/) and the all butter crust for the pumpkin.
I am a self-confessed, lousy pastry maker. I tired this recipe using the combination butter and shortening method and, ‘vola!’, it made a perfect double crust for my chicken pie. Thank you so much for your website; it is the one I turn to the most for great recipes.
I use this recipe every time I make a pie, and I get so many compliments on my crust! I even had a chef tell me that I made the best pie crust he ever had. Everyone always wants me to make them pies and thinks that I have some super secret way of making crust. Nope! I just come here! Thanks so much for the great recipe!
I had no mixer nor a blender. So I mixed the ingredients with a fork and as fast as I could plus I also use my wonderful hands and it worked perfectly. The best pie crust ever made with hands lol. So yes it can be done with your hands or fork. P.s. It was super fun and fast too Best of luck to all on their pies and thanks for the recipe
Thank you so much , I was about to ask if anyone had tried it without a mixer, my mother never used one and never used a recipe, She just knew by the look and feel . I will be trying this recipe by using my hands as my mom did .
I just want to thank you for the easy step by step recipe…I was successful!!!! Didn’t think it would ever happen. Finally no more store made crusts.
I have been making my own pie crusts for 26 years. My favorite recipe is to use Crisco Butter flavor. I use All purpose flour and iced cold water (no ice though). I mix the Crisco and the flour with a large fork and work it through. Then I add the very cold water in increments until I get that lovely soft plump pie dough. Then I roll it out on a flower marble. There it is. Perfect pie crust. I may brush the top lightly with melted butter as well. I don’t like the flavor of the egg wash – it takes away from the flavor of the pie.
Ya know what, eggs are in brownies and cakes and they don’t need refrigerated, so I am hoping the answer is that a pie dough made with egg would also require no refrigeration! Thx.
I am planning to make galettes with pie dough to sell at our local farmers mkt this summer. (We are growing lots of berries!) If I add an egg into the dough will the completed and baked berry pastry then need refrigeration? Thanks for any tips you may have.
Not sure what is meant by “type of flakes.” Am thinking that Brodie XXX is not on the market any longer – perhaps the difference is that it was a “cake and pastry” flour. Hope you found your answer though.
To whom it may concern!I used to make my pies with the Brodie XXX blue box that used to be on the market years ago. With this blue box I ended up never having any type of flakes on any of my pies! How can I now make my dough in not having an flakes whatsoever? It would be very much appreciated.
Fabulous recipe. This crust was terrific. Some cook’s notes. I grated frozen butter (in the food processor) transferred to bowl and put back in the freezer. Mixed flour, added butter pulsed. Dumped on floured board, and pressed together and cut in half to make two discs. (Same as recipe). Put in fridge for 1 hour. A trick to rolling out dough from fridge is not to let it sit at room temp but rather to break the dough.. With butter crusts, one is always racing against time (meaning temperature). Try this trick (I forget where I learned it, but it is no-fail in my experience). Rather than leave the disc out for some time to ‘soften’, break the disc. Simply take your rolling pin and whack the dough disc. (Whack and turn, whack and turn 12/6 and 9/3 if it were a clock). Take a few more whacks for good measure if you are so moved. Now the dough is broken, and will roll out easily! Two more tips (mine) for these divinely buttery crusts: Use a Silpat mat lightly dusted with flour (and then rubbed) for rolling out AND use a rectangular cool mat (from your freezer) on which to place your Silipat (with dough) to cool up the dough that you are rolling out if it is getting too warm. (you cannot roll out on this but it firms up slumpy dough). Works for me. Your mileage may vary! (If you are rolling out on a stainless steel surface, put the mat on the stainless steel).
This crust was flaky, beautiful and delicious.Make it! I made a fresh blackberry pie with it yesterday.
The video offered by Colling gives the most excellent instruction. I didn’t even use the Silipat or have other accoutrements to keep the dough cold. Used the consistent ‘whacking’ to thin out the dough, v. breaking, and rolled out. I use a flour can to easily flour board and keep excess flour to a minimum
What is a flour can?
I should have said flour shaker v. can. I’ve put a link below. I use this for making breads as well. I find that I can get by with a lot less flour.
This was the first pie crust I’d ever made, and it turned out great! I don’t have any mixers, so what I ended up doing was mixing in a strong pyrex mixing bowl and using a fork and pizza cutter to mix and get the butter down to size. My first attempt was lovely, and my next three or so didn’t seem as good to me, but everyone who has tried them all still thought they were very good! (I was using them for apple pies, by the way).
My only issue has been lots of (sometimes quite deep) cracking around the edges when I roll the dough out, despite adding an extra bit of water. Next time I’ll have to let the dough sit longer before I roll it and see how that works.
For any other first-timers like me, here’s a video that can help with rolling out a nice round shape: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI6qnty7p2A
This video is excellent–and it was a more refined than my process! I hope all who make it to the comments section go to your link. No need to waste good vodka when a simple, effective process such as this makes it a snap. I used it on 3 crusts yesterday, and it was a breeze. Whapping it out v. breaking it (my previous method) improved the process and the outcome. Thanks for sharing this.
I made this dough with my bare hands and it was the best crust I’ve ever made/had. So buttery, flaky and versatile. It took literally 5 minutes to come together and it took about 5 tablespoons of water. It set up quickly and was ready to use in a half hour after the fridge time.
You don’t need a processor at all! Use your hands people.
I loved it also! I love making desserts and im also in middle school. I made a couple of those pies/ they were easy peasy.
Awww yeah! Made the cherry pie using the almond crust – first attempt ever at making a pie or making pastry from scratch. I wasn’t able to make the lattice as the almond crust seemed to break apart very easily (probably my bad for not refridgerating and / or too much flour), HOWEVER, I managed to get creative with a star shaped cookie cutter and it looked and tasted AWESOME! Took it in to work at 8:30 and it was gone by 9:00. Some comments from the people who ate it included:
“Big thanks for the pie, yuuummmmmm!!!Flip YES! Wicked good Cherry Pie!You make a good slice of pie mate – compliments to the chef!The pastry is divineOh my god…This is awesome!”
So… 5 stars and thanks! Adding this one to my permanent collection of recipes. :)
I loved it it turned out so well, im in Middle school and i made dinner today, im so proud of myself. Thank you for the recipe.
Congratulations Elizabeth, that’s a big one to take on for a middle schooler! ~Elise
yuck i did not like how it turned out it was all watery
I’ve seen a few people mention that when they made it into disks that it seemed too dry. Be patient. While you let the disks chill in the fridge, the water will still be soaking into the flour. Another thing to remember is once the water hits the flour any agitation/mixing makes gluten and that can lead to tough pie dough. So once it clumps up like in the picture, form it into the disk and let it rest. Also, I’ve got to say, awesome recipes!
For those who have a problem with their crust falling apart while rolling it out, I’ve found that this little trick helps me enormously: I simply roll out my crust between two pieces of plastic wrap. No need to add extra flour, which can further dry out the dough. At first, you will need to keep adjusting the plastic, but as the dough begins to flatten, it’s a breeze. You can refrigerate your rolled crusts while you make the filling (they’re already wrapped in plastic!) and transfer them easily to a pie pan when you’re ready to assemble. I use only whole wheat pastry flour and butter,(a finicky combination) but this trick gives me beautiful whole grain pie crusts that don’t fall apart and are tender and flaky every time.
Thank you, thank you, thank you! Been searching for years for the perfect butter pie crust and have now found it. Did need to increase water slightly but live in Dener and it is very dry here in the winter, when swamp cooler is running am sure it will be fine. Never had such an easy time rolling out the dough that I can spend time making it pretty :) Now making pie just because friends drop by for dinner and have some dough frozen. Almond flour is divine if a bit pricey here.
Thanks so much for the recipe! I FINALLY have successfully mad a pie crust. Well, I haven’t baked it yet, but it has beautiful streaks and pebbles of butter throughout, so I can’t imagine it not being delicious.
I used the all butter recipe with a little adjustment. I used 1/4 water and 1/4 vodka based on the recipe at americas test kitchen. It works out to about 6 tbsp of water once the alcohol cooks off.
I had actually used your recipe verbatim and ruined it prior to getting it right. I think my problem was that I was too hesitant with the water and so I did not add enough. I only added 5 tbsp because I didn’t want it to get tough.
Thanks for the recipe! I will be filling it with your walnut pie recipe and baking it tonight. Merry Christmas!
What if you don’t have a food processor?
Then you can use a pastry cutter, or two dinner knives that you use to cut through the mixture like scissors. Or you can do what I do when I don’t have a food processor, use my fingers to shmush the butter pieces into the flour, and then use my fingers again when adding water. ~Elise
Like many who have used the all-butter crust recipe, I too had experienced wonderful results the first time I tried it last weekend making chicken pie. As I do not have a food processor, I used the rubbing-in method. The results were fine even in the tropical weather where I live. This recipe is definitely for keeps. Thanks, Elise. Regarding the egg wash, do we brush the entire amount (1 egg + 1 tbsp milk) onto the top of the pie? Please advise.
No, you will probably only need half of that amount to brush the pie. But it’s sort of hard to do “half an egg”, so there you go. ~Elise
After I took the disc of dough out after refrigeration and tried to roll it out, it came apart. Any advice?
Let the dough rest for 10 minutes at room temp before rolling it out. As you roll it out and it breaks, shmoosh the breaks together with your fingers. Keep pushing the dough together alternating with rolling it out. This happens to me all the time. The problem is that if you have little water, the dough will break. But if you have too much water, and it’s easy to have too much water, the crust will be tough. It’s better to error on the side of little water. ~Elise
way too salty!
You should be using unsalted butter. If you are using salted butter, you should not add any salt to the dough. ~Elise
Help! I’m not sure if I didn’t have enough water or there was another problem, but my dough ended up in the trash. Mine looked sort of crumbly (as in your left picture at the top), but not terrible. I was able to form the discs, that looked very similar to yours. After refrigerating for about 2 hours, I tried rolling it out and the edge all the way around was cracking terribly, the dough stuck to a floured surface and the floured rolling pin. The cracks got worse, traveling further into the dough. I thought I followed the directions carefully, but I didn’t have success this time around and had to use (shudder the thought) store bought pie dough. I was really hoping not to have to do that any longer.
What type of shortening did you use? I tried Crisco butter flavor, since I don’t care for the taste of plain shortening.
Could use some feedback as the picture of your crust looks heavenly.
Hi Shari, sounds like either a) you could have used a bit more water, or b) you could have let the dough sit a little longer at room temp before rolling it out. If it cracks like that, you can just shmoosh it together with your fingers. You don’t need to throw it out! At a minimum, if a pie crust is simply too messy, you can always use the dough to make turnovers. These days I pretty much make only the all butter crust (though I would like to try my hand at a crust made with lard). The Crisco I used for the recipe that calls for shortening was a trans-fat free Crisco. Not flavored. ~Elise
Wow, thanks for the recipes and comments. I’ve used store bought pie crusts in the past because I couldn’t find a good recipe with extra information. One thing I didn’t see addressed was how to keep a pie crust from sticking to the pie dish. I’ve had this happen so many times (fruit and pecan fillings), that I stopping making pies. I use glass pie dishes after learning the metal pans aren’t really good for great pies.
Thanks for any advice and again,thanks for the recipes!
Great site and comments. I have two questions:
1) What happens if you don’t refrigerate the dough at all? I ask because rolling out the dough without refrigerating is so much easier; the dough is pliable, there are no cracks, and it holds together well.
2) If I do need to refrigerate the dough, is it just as beneficial to do it AFTER it has been rolled out? That way it’s easier as mentioned above, and, you don’t have to wait 10 minutes or longer to roll it out after it has warmed up (and doesn’t letting it warm up defeat the whole “keeping it all cold” idea?
Ok I guess that’s three questions. ;)
I really appreciate any help you can give me, many thanks!
You don’t have to refrigerate the dough, though doing so should make it easier for the dough to hold together and to roll out. So, if you are not having any issues by skipping that step, go for it! ~Elise
My mom made superb pie crusts using lard or lard and butter mixed. She could whip then out in a jiffy, don’t remember her chilling the dough, but they always turned out flaky and tasty.
I tried and tried, using the same method but my crusts were hard and tough…just terrible.It finally donned on me what I was doing wrong…using unbleached bread flour (I bake a lot of yeast doughs) High gluten bread flour just doesn’t work for pie crusts…Duhhh.Switched to all-purpose, beached or unbleached and my crusts are just like Mom’s
“Freeze the crust it for at least a half hour, until chilled. This is an important step in pre-baking. Otherwise the crust will slip down the sides.” Ha! I read this part after the crust has been in the oven for 12 minutes, and sure enough, it’s slipping down the sides! I’m sure it will still be delicious, and I don’t think the 5-year olds will mind that much. Thanks for your great recipes. I use them all the time.
WOW, thank you so much, the crust (#1) came out just perfect! I love it!
Only thing is that I think dough refrigeration should be optional – I refrigerated mine and it took waaaaay longer than 5-10 min for it to soften. I had to knead it gently again to get it soft enough to be rolled out. Other than that – no complaints!
This is so good! I am not a baker by any means and I made my very first pie and crust with this recipe yesterday. I thought I had ruined it because my food processor wasn’t working properly so I cut up the butter with a fork in the flour mixture and it worked out just fine. If you have a butter cutter I imagine that would work too, I plan on trying that next time. My crust placement was a little sloppy and it still baked up perfectly – wouldn’t change a thing.
Please– Which of the crusts described is the crust pictured? I want to make THAT one. *drool*
Thank you! :)
-a fan of yours
That’s the butter crust. But they’re all good. ~Elise
Thanks sooo much for the all butter crust recipe.I’ve always wanted to bake a pie but was too intimidated to try. You made it all seem easy and simple.I added more water than you called for but everything seems to be just fine.I just have one question, ” when you say knead did you mean as though I was making bread?” I just squeezed my flour mixture together until I had formed the disks.I hope that I won’t have any trouble rolling them out .I have 2 disks chilling in the refrigerator and will be baking my pies in the morning:)
You did it right. You should just handle the dough enough so that it just holds together. If you knead it like bread it will become tough. When you take the dough out of the refrigerator, let them sit for 5 to 10 minutes at room temp, enough time for them to soften just enough to make it easy to roll out. When you do roll them out, you should see splotches of butter throughout the dough crust. ~Elise
I use this recipe for all my pies and I love it. I recently made a chicken pot pie using this recipe and ran out of white All-purpose flour so I had to use some whole wheat flour instead. It turned out ok so I made it again and substituted half a cup of white with wheat and really enjoyed the taste.
This pie crust is literally perfect! Sometimes the consistancy and texture of the pie varies depending on the weather outside (if its humid or dry out) But either way the crust always comes out wonderful. I use this pie crust for every pie I bake, chicken pot pies, and rustic tarts. You don’t have to look for any other pie crust recipe again!
I have been using the butter crust recipe for pot pies and it is fantastic! I make mini-pies, hand-pressing the crust into whatever crockery we’re using that day: ramekins, coffee mugs (crust on top only), even rice bowls one evening. The remaining dough is usually turned into thumb-print jam cookies or put into the fridge to be used the next evening. To be honest, the first time I use the dough I’m usually throwing together a weekend meal of leftovers and don’t let it rest, but the dough works out fine. Thanks Elise!
After reading several posts, I couldn’t help myself from posting my own….I had never made a pie from scratch. I had thought I had all the ingredients cornered until the wife came home and told me that the all-purpose flour I thought I used was actually rice flour. She picked it up a few days earlier for a friend that had a gluten intolerance. Clumsy me, I worked for more than 2 hours on that crust to get it to do what was explained here. After it kept cracking and cracking, I decided it must need more water. That helped, but I couldn’t figure a way to get it off the board until I decided to pull the entire board out of the drawer and slide the pie shell onto the pie plate. What an ordeal! After all is said and done, my gluten-free (not intended) Raspberry pie with the egg coating on top was worth the effort. I can see why many people do these posts, especially for baking, because any one little tip could turn out to be the one thing that can make anyone’s pie the best you ever tasted. I will try to use the right ingredients next time. :)
I ran out of flour so I substituted 1/2 a cup with bisquick and it worked out really great. the texture was awesome and the flavor was great. It was very buttery and flakey. I’m going to make it that way on purpose from now on.
The butter pie crust recipe is flakey and delicious! The instruction is very clear, the photos are such a bonus, and the tip on pre-freezing cubes of butter makes so much sense!
While rolling out the dough, I realized my granite countertop had become a little warm from from the under-cabinet task lights so I had to rush the rolling process. Next time I’ll be sure the countertop is cold first.
The reason why you use unsalted butter instead of regular butter is simple. Regular butter makes the pie crust too salty. You can always substitute half of the salted butter with half shortening to reduce the salt content and make the crust fluffier.
Why is it not explained why the recipe uses unsalted butter and not the normal one. So many just say use this and that and don’t explain why ! Hello maybe men don’t know all the in’s and out ‘sand need to be told. I am a pensioner and have a passion for baking and cooking, now that I have the time. Sorry ladies, My Mother never did explain either, when teaching her twin sons to cook.So please, explanation if you don’t mind.
Hi George, it’s a good idea to use unsalted butter in cooking or baking so that you can more precisely measure exactly how much added salt you want to put into a dish. You should pretty much assume that any recipe calling for butter means unsalted butter for this reason. If you do use salted butter in a recipe, you will want to reduce the amount of added salt that recipe calls for. ~Elise
I used this recipe to make my first pie crust! I made an apple crumb pie on Sunday as a test run for the pie I will be making for Thanksgiving. I brought it to work so that I wouldn’t eat the whole thing myself, lol, and it was a roaring success! I think I could have left the pie in just another 5 minutes or so because the crust seemed just a tad underdone, but it was flaky and buttery and delicious! Last night, I made the dough and refrigerated it so I can make the pie tonight for tomorrow’s Thanksgiving dinner. The first time I made the crust, I had trouble keeping it together when I tried to form the disk, even though the dough formed when I pinched it. So, I added ice water as I brought it together. The same thing seemed to happen last night only it seemed a little worse than the first time. I plan on rolling the dough out tonight to make the pie. What do you suggest? Do I add water and need the dough a little tonight before rolling it out or should I just make a new crust? Your advice is very much appreciated!
If you are having a hard time holding it together, you might add just a little water to the dough. I have found that even if the dough cracks as I roll it out, I can easily pinch the cracks together. It’s not neat and pretty, but as long as you can see lots of dots of butter in the dough you roll out you should have a flakey crust. ~Elise
What do you think about infusing espresso into the pie crust? I would replace the water with it. I’m thinking so long as it is still ice cold, it shouldn’t make a difference?
Do you think it would taste bad, I really can’t decide. The recipe I use it actually my mother’s… It’s a lard, water, salt, an egg, flour, and vinegar; very delicious but I think the vinegar and espresso would clash. What do you think?
Espresso is bitter. I’m guessing it wouldn’t work so well added to the dough, but who knows? If you try it, please let us know how it works out for you. ~Elise
Megan and Leslie,
I was so glad to come across your comments- I used to make a lot of pie. Traditionally, I used a mix of crisco and butter or just crisco. I haven’t been baking much lately, but set out to make a pie last night, with crisco for my husband who is lactose intolerant. The first batch of crust (using butter flavored crisco) was a disaster. The second (using regular crisco) was a little better. I managed to get it into the pan by pressing, but it just crumbles apart. The crisco had been in the freezer, all the ingredients and the bowl were chilled- and still no luck. With Thanksgiving approaching, I was starting to have pie crust panic, until I came across your posts.Does anyone know if the problem is ok if you use a mix of butter and crisco? Or am I stuck with butter only crusts? (In the past, I found that the combination worked better than pure butter.)Thanks!
I want to make Pecan Pie with a homemade crust. Any suggestions on which pie crust recipe. Thanks
I would use the standard butter crust. ~Elise
Wonderful and easy! The all~butter crust is semi~flaky. After pulsing in the water and checking for cohesion, I dumped it into a gallon freezer bag and press / kneed it to hold together. Then, cut in half and plastic wrap half of it,leaving the other half in the bag. Thank you for this easy and semi;) healthier crust version.
I have to make pie crusts about 5 days before filling and baking.
How long will the crusts last, if frozen, covered with plastic wrap and aluminum?
Can I thaw the frozen crusts and keep them in the refrigerator for 2 or 3 days before filling and baking?
Thank you for your response.
I’m pretty sure I’ve kept a frozen crust, wrapped in plastic and aluminum, for 3 months in the freezer without any problems. As for thawing them in the refrigerator for 2 or 3 days, I would keep it to 2 days. But that’s just me. ~Elise
I have tried with many, many different pie crust recipes. No matter what I do….my bottom crust always seems to be soggy. I have made pumpkin pie….and maybe 1 or 2 other types…but most frequently made pie is cherry….with lattice top crust. Top crust is fine….shrinking crust, minimal…bottom soggy crust…not wet….but definitely NOT flaky at all. Any suggestions??TIA….
Hello Brenda, one suggestion I’ve received for soggy crusts is to preheat a baking sheet in the oven and then place the pie pan on the baking sheet once the oven is hot. ~Elise
My daughter and I made 24 pie crusts in three hours. My recipe is similar to all of the above. One also mentioned rolling a single pie crust dough in a plastic bag. I came across this idea last year and it should win a Noble Peace Prize in the Humanities category. There is no worse frustration for superwoman of today, than reworking piecrust dough that rips,tears, mishapened and time consuming. Few additional advice, the addition of a tablespoon of vinegar or lemon juice to a cup of water with crushed iced can be used sparingly to the point that if the dough holds together when you pinch it that is enough . No need to form ball. Put mixture in a gallon size freezer bag,flatten out dough with hand at the same time removing any air. With rolling pin, spread to all the four edges until dough thickness is even. The bag helps contain the mixture and the dough easily holds together. There is where the key to tender and flaky lies. No reworking the dough. No additional flour used to roll out dough! You still will see your butter. Zip up the closure, and place in refrigerator or freezer until you use it. If frozen, thaw just until maleable. If the dough cracked with handling when frozen, just press edges together. The best is that no mess!Open the zipper and cut the sides and bottom of the plastic bag. Remove the top plastic layer. Place your pie pan over the square of dough, and you will notice it is just about the same diameter, but you have the extra four corners. Invert the pan along with the plastic side to support the dough. Remove the plastic and now your dough is in your pan. Shape into mold of pan, using the corner dough to work along the top edge for your flute or sparse areas. Refrigerate prepared pie dough pan for ten minutes, then proceed. This dough when baked is so flaky it results in a crust twice the thickness you rolled it out as! If you need a different shape, just roll several squares to desired dimensions between two lightly floured pieces of parchment paper. My only concern is to figure out how to actually make and bake 24 pies by Thanksgiving. Twelve pumpkin and twelve pecan. The cost of ingredients alone was $150.00. I think I will have to premake and bake the pumpkin pies. I have double ovens. Has any have any experience with making both type of pies ahead of time, thus having to freeze them so they won’t spoil? Please share your ideas! For example, can you make the pecan and pumpkin filling and refrigerate. Then put together and place the pecans and bake,etc. Or does freezing effect the taste? Happy Thanksgiving!
The only way to fix the soggy-bottomed crust problem is to cook your pie for the first 15 minutes at an additional 50 degrees F of heat (this rule is for custard pies). As this recipe calls for 375, you cook it at 425 for the first 15 mins, then turn it down. For fruit pies, use an additional 100 degrees of heat for that 15 mins.I actually halve this recipe and roll the crusts out thinly. It’s perfect.
The frozen butter and ice water aspect are essential for a great crust, don’t disregard this. Two new tips for everyone. I use a spray bottle with ice water when adding to the dough. The spray allows better distribution of the water and helps avoid over-kneading. Also, take bags of frozen veggies, potatoes, or anything you have frozen in a bag (ice) and lay that on the counter surface for a few minutes before you roll your dough. This will help keep the dough ice cold as you roll.
When my pie is done, there is a couple of inches between the top crust and the pie filling. What am I doing wrong?
Some pie fillings cook down a lot, apple pie for instance. What you can do with apple pie is pre-cook the apple slices a bit first, so they release some of their moisture and shrink a bit. You can also make a lattice pie crust for the top crust, which will sink on the filling as the filling shrinks as it cooks. ~Elise
Oh, and I used first recipe and it was fantastic! Thanks Elise!!
The all butter crust for sweet and savory foods was FANTASTIC! It’s the first time I have ever successfully make a pie crust! Perfect! Thank you!
2 variants that I use to this trusty all-purpose recipe are:
*1/2 butter 1/2 shortening for good butter flavor & an extra flaky crust.
*Incorporate cake or pastry flour into the AP – a 1to1 or 1to2 ratio for an extra tender crust.
Play around with these for some fun & pleasant results.
PS: Love the tip about the brushed egg whites on the dough for a non-soggy crust.
I made the all butter crust last night and it was amazing. It came out nice and flaky.
Thank you very much for the recipe. I always forget the proper amount of ingredients so I have to go online and look for a recipe. It was really helpful for my wife and I to follow this recipe while making a pie at home.
Thank you sooo much for this recipe. I have always used the store bought crusts because I listened to negative people around me saying it’s so much easier just to buy them. Yesterday I decided that I would try for the first time to make my own using this recipe. Needless to say I WILL NOT buy another crust ever!! And it wasn’t hard at all. Beginner’s luck you might say? I don’t think so. It’s all in this recipe if you just follow it.
This is the best pie crust I have ever made or tasted. Thank you sooo much. I have tried to make a good crust but it was always too tough, too thin. Just was not good. Now I can make all the pies I want with fruit in season. All I got to say is follow the recipe to the letter, you will come out a winner.
I made this exactly like it says and it’s dense and not flaky at all. It was even hard to cut with a steak knife. What in the world?
Sounds to me like there could be two issues – 1) too much water, and 2) too much kneading. It takes a while to get the hang of making a pie crust from scratch. ~Elise
This recipe is fantastic. I use it all the time. Have made many blueberry, cherry, apple and pumpkin pies with this recipe and they have all come out wonderful. My friends and family rave about my pies.
This is THE BEST crust recipe I use it for every kind of pie or pastry needed and it turns out flawless every time I follow the recipe exactly and its PERFECT!! Thank you so much for posting! I’ll use it forever!!
I have used an all veg. based shortening called “Earth Balance” for years with wonderful results. My family LOVES my pies!
What a great site..
Question on blind baking for you. I am trying to perfect a blueberry pie recipe and I can’t seem to find a way to keep the bottom crust from basically melting during baking.
I’m using what I hope is a reasonably standard crust recipe of 2.5 cups flour, 2 sticks of butter, a bit of salt and sugar. I am pre-baking the bottom crust for 20 minutes in my oven at 350 until it is golden brown. using rice and foil for weighting and letting cool for 30 minutes. The bottom crust is about the same thickness as the top crust. From here, a blueberry reduction with 2 cups blueberries, 1 cup sugar, 1 cup water, dash of cinnamon and nutmeg is added along with the top crust. I baked at 350 for one hour…
I had the same trouble with a savory lamb pie I tried with no blind baking – the darn bottom crust just disintegrated. Any thoughts would be much appreciated. I’m soooo close on this..!
I think your problem with the blueberry pie is that cup of water. If you check our blueberry pie recipe you’ll see it calls for 6 cups of blueberries and only 1 Tbsp of liquid (lemon juice). No added water. It also includes 1/4 cup of flour as a thickener. ~Elise
Elise, after 40 years of baking, your butter and shortening pie crust recipe is now my favorite. It is foolproof and perfect.
Thank you very much for this site.
I have tried & failed so many times to make delicate, flaky pie crust like my mother’s using her recipe & instructions & techniques. She used a bowl & pastry cutter & her hands. So I’ve decided to go ahead & get a food processor and try it this way (no doubt will use the food processor for many other things as well). My question is, what size should I get? I can’t afford an expensive one, and have looked at a 4C Cuisinart & a 10C Hamilton Beach, both of which have good reviews.
Good question. I use a 7-cup Cuisinart, which is a good size for making a double crust. You can get a pretty good deal on them at Amazon. ~Elise
Well I just made this today like right now 7:13p.m on Dec.12, 09 and mine was a struggle at first to do but then I got the hang of it and it came out way better then what I thought. I added more water and flour then the recipe and it came out perfect to me. I am only 15 years old I want to be a Pastry Chef and go to college and everything so I am always practicing on desserts. So this crust was easy for me. I am making a Lemon Blueberry Pie and I was making the crust tonight storing it in the fridge and doing the rest of the pie tomorrow. So I hope this works for everyone else. I was also looking for recipes for pie crust with having to use shortening.
When I use pie “tins” my crust is perfect, but when I tried using a Pyrex glass pie dish the bottom crust seems uncooked. Help?
I just made the butter shortening combination crust (my first time making my own crust). It turned out wonderful! The only problem is that it is so good that I am eating more of the pie just for the crust. I do not own a mixer or a pastery cutter so I used my hands. It worked out perfect. The pie sat for a day before we could finally eat it (made for a family get together) and the crust was perfect. I was very pleased to find out that the bottom was not soggy at all (Sour Apple Tart Cherry Pie). Everytime I bought a role of pie dough for an apple pie the bottom came out soggy. I will never buy pie dough ever again! This is what I will use from now on!
Hi Elise! I made your combination shortening + butter crust and it was absolutely perfect! It worked amazingly for the sweet potato pie I made and everyone just went nuts! Even my grandmother who once was an amazing baker!
I have a question though. My grandmother has been sick with cancer for a while and I am wondering if you have any ideas about a crust and filling for a pie that uses stevia – no sugar. Sugar actually feeds her cancer so she cannot have it … in the case of my pie … she took a little bite.
I’d like to make her a pie she can devour. =) Thank you.
Hmm, good question. I suspect that she probably should be staying away from pastries, altogether. You can leave the sugar out of the crust, but as for the filling? You might want to do a simple apple pie, but sweetened with stevia instead. I don’t know anything about baking with stevia, but there are cookbooks available online if you look. ~Elise
Thanks, Elise! My first time being responsible for the pumpkin pie at Thanksgiving was a hit, thanks to you. I used the half butter, half shortening recipe, and my crust was delicious! I don’t have a food processor, but using a pastry cutter worked just fine. I also added a tiny splash of apple cider vinegar in with the ice water. Loved it!!
I found an ingredient for pie dough in my Cook’s Illustrated magazine. The ingredient is vodka! You replace 1/2 of the chillled water used in a standard pie crust with chilled vodka. You can actually use more water and vodka then you would traditionally because vodka is only 60% water. It makes working the crust as easy as working with playdough, and yet the vodka cooks off during baking, leaving an extremely flaky, tender crust. I don’t know how come more pie makers don’t know this one.
I accidently put the pie dough in the freezer for an hour…what should I do as I have to bake pie right now for the event tomorrow.
You’ll have to let it sit at room temperature and thaw until it is ready to roll out. ~Elise
I have made this pie crust three time and can’t figure out what I’m doing wrong. When I pull it out of the fridge and tryu to roll it it always cracks and breaks any ideas?
Yes, you should let it rest at room temperature for 5-10 minutes before attempting to roll it out. ~Elise
Just a comment on the egg wash..I am highly allergic to eggs and more than once had to be rushed to a hospital due to egg being on or in something I was unaware of. As a dinner guest I always ask, but sometimes in stores the wash is not listed as an ingredient and the host says ‘no egg’. Please inform your guests before serving that the pie is coated with egg.
(Sorry for double posting) I forgot–if you don’t have a pastry brush, you can bunch up a paper towel and use that instead for the egg wash.
Hey, everyone who thinks they can never make homemade pie crusts because they’re missing some kitchen utensils: don’t despair! I’m a college student living in a tiny apartment and my mom would kill me if I ever bought a food processor, much less a rolling pin! If you don’t have a food processor, roll up your sleeves and get down and dirty. Pinch the butter with your fingers and until the flour/butter mix is crumbly. Instead of balls of butter you’ll have “shavings” and small clumps of it, but the end result still looks like Elise’s picture above. After adding the right amount of ice water, you’ll want to refrigerate the dough for a half hour (because your hands are warm; give the butter some time to solidify again before flattening it). When you take it out of the fridge, let it sit for 2-3 minutes so it’s easier to roll.
As for a rolling pin… well, anything cylindrical works. I floured my cutting board (there are no counters in my apartment) and put a piece of plastic wrap on top of the dough then used a jar as my rolling pin. It did the trick! Pie is in the oven and I baked a piece of scrap dough to taste it–flaky and scrumptious. Thanks, Elise, for sharing this delicious recipe!
Thanks for sharing your tips Ruen! ~Elise
My bottom crust in my apple pie always burns, and when I try to cut a slice I only get top crust. Am I rolling the bottom crust too thin? Should it be thicker than the top crust?
They should be about the same thickness. Sounds like either your oven isn’t heating evenly or your pie is too close to the heating element in the oven. ~Elise
Thanks Elise. By the way, even though I had a hard time forming the discs with my last batches of pie dough, they were a breeze to roll out and turned out beautiful. I made two double crust apple pies and everyone raved about the crust.
Ok, I just made two batches of the all-butter dough recipe in my food processor. I had to use 9 Tbsp of water in both batches.When I poured the dough out to form the discs, the dough would barely stay together, dry clumps would fall off. Should I have used more water, or is that what I should have expected?Thanks!
Hi Lyndsey, this is a great question, and one that hard to answer, not being there. I’ve made so many pie crusts and each time the trickiest thing is the amount of water. You want just enough so that it will hold together, but not so much that it is dough-y. Sometimes just wetting your hands when you form the dough will be enough to do the trick if the dough is still a little too dry to hold together. All I can say is practice, and find a balance that works for you. I think I err on the more water side, but every pastry chef I consult says use the smallest amount of water possible. ~Elise
I had this cook 25 years ago an older woman maybe 75-80 made all of our pies and she always used ice cold 7-UP instead of water loved that pie crusts
I just made this recipe without a mixer and just mixed it by hand, it was wonderful!! I am making a second one now.
I made this pie crust on Sunday…my first time ever baking a pie. I’ve watched my Grandma make thousands of pies, using oil, but I wanted a more flaky, less dense crust. It turned out beautifully! I do not have a food processor, so I froze the whole stick of butter and grated it. I then mixed it into my flour mixture, which I had in a large porcelain bowl on chill in the freezer. I used 9 tbsp. of ice water…although it wasn’t really forming into a ball. I put it all into a freezer bag, pushed the air out and pushed the mixture together with the heel of my hand. I let it sit overnight and rolled it out between two pieces of parchment paper. There wasn’t a crumb left! I made another one on Monday! Thanks for the recipe! Now if I only had a food processor!
I’ve tried both the metal cutting blade and the dough blade and either one works.
Just wondering if you use the dough blade or the metal blade in your food processor?
There’s a dough blade? If there is, I’m unfamiliar with it. I just use the metal blade. You’re basically using the food processor in place of the more traditional dough blender. ~Elise
Dough blade for food processors is for bread dough made with more than 3.5 cups of flour for Cuisinart. For cutting in butter to flour for pie crusts (or biscuits), always use metal blade (regardless of flour measure as crust is not dough and one needs the full extension of the metal blade to process the ingredients–which is a cutting process v. kneading for bread doughs).
I was given this tip years (42yrs this week)ago at my bridal shower, use cold 7UP soda instead of water in the recipe. It makes very flaky crust!I use diet soda, doesn’t make much difference when using so much butter though.
I’ve always used shortening for pie crusts with no problem. It’s key to keep your Ingredients as cold as possible until it’s time to bake. A pyrex pie plate is also key for even temp. plus you can see how your crust is doing on the bottom. I use 2 1/4 C flour, 3/4 teasp salt, 3/4 C shortening and about 5 Tbsp ice water for the crust. Cut the shortening in before adding the water, and then mix in 1 Tbsp at a time of water mixing it in with a fork. I sometimes use a couple of Tbsp of lemon juice in place of some of the water. This last time I used all orange blossom water and lemon juice,(nice and cold) and it came out great. I’m not exactly sure who it was but a master pastry chef (centuries ago) use to do his work in a ice house type atmosphere to assure the flakiest pastry. So! stay cool! and don’t overwork it. Good luck! Oh! I always use a hand pastry cutter. And when making a two crust pie I wrap one crust and fridge it while making the next, and then roll the cold one while the other chills. Remember keep things cold.
I have perfected my pumpkin pie and want to work on making a much tastier crust. So, I want to try to make it myself. I am allergic to butter, and worry about ‘crisco’ (shortening) being so unhealthy. Are there alternative crusts? Such as, made with margrin? or other substitute?Thanks,Audrey
The problem with shortening was the transfats, which they have now pretty much removed. Look for a version of Criso that says Zero Transfats on the label. Lard is also an option, though unless you render it yourself, it is often packed with preservatives, which you don’t want. ~Elise
I made the all butter crust and it was perfect. I actually couldn’t believe it because I’m not a baker and usually something goes wrong for me or is slightly off. This pie crust was flaky, buttery, and delicious.
Regarding non-trans fat shortening, I have been substituting organic extra virgin coconut oil (slightly chilled), which works perfectly. If you try this,be sure to use unrefined coconut oil which is very healthy, as opposed to the refined (hydrogenated) oil which is full of trans fats. You will not get the coconut flavor once the pie is cooked. I use Nutiva brand which is pricey but absolutely amazing.
As an Australian, we don’t use ‘sticks’ of butter: I have been to the US many times before and never thought to check out how many ounces/grams a stick is.I am familiar with all-purpose flour and most other US ingredients.Please help an Aussie wanting to make your pastryThanksAnne
Hi Anne, fyi there is a measurement converter on the left side of every recipe page on the site. With regards to butter, 1 cup = 8 ounces. For a grams conversion you’ll have to check the converter link. ~Elise
My friend has a recipe for pie crust. Since it is a family recipe she will not give it out.I understand this and respect her loyality. I have tried to find one that will match the taste. It is a thick crust (from 40 years ago)and kind of semi sweet. I think it is like a cookie. Does this ring any bells to anyone? Since I am over 70 I am running out of time to locate. I guess it is one of those things that has always bothered me. I have tried many things – just not the same. Thanks for your help.Jackie
Sounds like a shortbread crust. Check out the results on Food Blog Search to see if anything rings familiar. ~Elise
How do you use frozen fruit in pies without their becoming too watery? Additional flour or thickening agent simply makes it pasty.
We defrost the frozen fruit first, and let the excess moisture drain away before using. ~Elise
I was making Lemon Meringue pie, I baked my pie shell, and never forgot to poke holes in it; it came perfect but when I add the cooled Lemon and room temperature meringue and half hour later put it in the refridgerator. When I served it the next day, the bottom crust was soggy, what did I do wrong?
Elise! Thank you SO much for posting this! This came out absolutely amazing! I made it for my Mom-in-law’s pumpkin pie recipe and it came out just absolutely spectacular. I ended up taking the second half of the dough and kneading it some more and making it into cinnamon shortbread pinwheels. They are my new favorite cookie. They came out absolutely amazing. They were actually intended to be cinnamon rolls, but I cut them a bit short/small and so they ended up cookies.. but they are amazing anyway! Thank you SO much for this recipe :) I will never use another again!
This is a GREAT recipe. I highly recommend it.
THanks the pie crust was great. I used 1/2 margarine instead and it turned out great!
You forgot the bake temperture and time for the plain butter crust.
This is just a recipe for the crust. Unless you are pre-baking it (and there are instructions for that) you need to follow the cooking instructions for whatever pie it is you are making. ~Elise
Elise, I found that if you prepare your apples as directed with the sugar, cinnamon etc.. and then cook them for about 10 minutes in a deep fry pan, let them cool for about 25 minutes and then add them to your pie crust and bake, the top of your crust will stay nice and high and there will be no space between the apples and the top crust.
Is there any special advice for pumpkin pies? One recipe I have suggests cooking the crust for a few minutes before adding the filling, perhaps to keep the crust crispy and not too soggy? This is my first home-made pie crust and I’m nervous. Thanks for the help!!
Any pie crust receipe I use, my top crust stays high, but apples or such shrink even when piled way above the size of pan. Shells always shrink. What am I doing wrong?
You’re doing nothing wrong. Depending on the variety, apples can give off a lot of moisture and shrink when cooking. To avoid the shrinking, you can use fewer apples, or pre-cook the apples a bit before adding them to the pie dish. ~Elise
Hello all you fine cooks. My mother made her crust with lard. I remember the crust as very flavorful. Is that a good technic?
Yes, lard is excellent for making flakey crusts, it’s just hard to come by these days. Usually the lard you can buy at the store has been treated with chemicals. Better to render your own lard. You can search online for a how to. ~Elise
Does anyone have a recipe for pie crust w/vinager in it? It’s one Mom use to make and I can’t find recipe
Here’s a recipe for a pie crust that uses vinegar in it by Rose Levy Beranbaum.
I made the above recipe for pie crust but I made a few changes and it came out perfect. This is my first time on this site and love it already, the idea of putting the butter in the freezer I had never heard of before and I made a perfect crust using this idea. I cut portions because I only needed a single crust. 1 1/4 cup of flr.-1 stick of (Smart Balance 50/50 Butter Blend–purple box—I made a healthy version crust and it was perfect in texture and taste-it has omega 3 and no transfats.)salt was already in the Smart Balance, kept the full 1 tsp sugar-needed 3 tbs of water and 1 apple cider vinegar for flaky crust (the amount of liquid used is the tricky part). That is why you have to test the dough before adding too much liquid. Made a fresh peach pie, peaches were so sweet didn’t need sugar, I made a crumb topping instead of crust, added oats for taste and crispiness. I usually make a good pie crust using my food processor to make the dough, but my crust sometimes is hit or miss in texture, the frozen butter and the pictures helped me make it perfectly…Also, a hint from me if you are making a very juicy pie, crush some saltines, non salted and put on the bottom of the crust before adding fruit, that will absorb some of the juice to help keep the bottom crust from getting mushy or crushed vanilla wafers or ginger snaps depending on flavor of your pie. You can make a pie healthy, now my hubby can and will eat the crust. He loved it…..Thank you for your suggestions, I hope mine helped someone.
I found that a potato masher does just as well or better than a pastry blender. I was going to purchase a pastry blender at Wal-Mart but it looked so flimsy I knew it wouldn’t do the job and was $3.00+. Nearby was a $1.50 potato masher so I brought it home and tried it. Its the kind with the zig zag bottom, not meshed like some. It works wonderfully !
I am absolutely new to pie making. My pie crust was simply too brittle. I could roll it but then it woudn’t stay together when I lift it up. Can you tell me why this is happening? Is it because my butter has melted too much?I want to bake it in a microwave. Do you have a recipe for the same?
Your butter should not have melted at all. Softened a little, yes. Melted no. If the crust isn’t holding together, it sounds like you need a little more ice water added to it. Regarding the microwave, you can’t brown food in a microwave. Microwave ovens cook by heating up the water molecules in food, so the effect you get is similar to poaching, or boiling. Browning requires higher heat and a dry roasting oven. So, no, as far as I know you cannot bake it in a microwave. You can defrost a frozen crust in a microwave and then bake it in a toaster oven. But baking requires the dry heat of a roasting oven or toaster oven. ~Elise
Instead of a food processor or even a manual pastry blender, you can use two table knives to quickly cut the butter into the flour mixture. Hold one knife in each hand, cross them like an X with one tip at each side of the bowl, then draw the blades towards each other rapidly and across to the other side of the bowl. By doing this repeatedly while occasionally turning the bowl and mixing in the flour by stirring with the knife blades, you will generate the desired pea-sized bits of butter that will lead to a flaky pie crust.
I need to bake a pie crust for this evening, I am out of crisco, have one stick of butter and vegetable oil any ideas?
We don’t have vegetable shortening in our country, and I don’t really know what is that so i can find a replacement. Do you have any suggestions ?
Yes. Use the all-butter crust recipe. ~Elise
Thanks for recipe.Please add cooking temperature and times to the first recipe.
The cooking temperature and times depend on the particular filling of the pie you are making. ~Elise
I used to make a pie crust with my mom which consisted of mixing unmeasured amounts of tenderflake lard and all purpose flour until well blended. Lastly adding milk to make a very, flakey, tender crust for either sweet or savoury pies.
Unfortunately, I don’t seem to be able to get the consistency right anymore and with mom gone these last 17 years I was hoping someone might have a similar measured recipe. Any suggestions would be much appreciated.
I’m new to the whole baking thing. Before I moved out of my parents house in Seattle, I thought that pie crust always came from Mom or the grocery store… but after a year here in Madison Wisconsin I realized all great bakers have to start somewhere. Luckily I found this website and have been baking pies every week! I guess it can be a little intimidating, but I have been working hard on this whole “do it yourself from scratch” thing… I couldn’t have done it without the helpful suggestions of so many WISE WISE WISE individuals. Thanks to you guys I have perfected a delicious double decker cherry-peach pie!
I’m a late-comer to this party, but I wanted to mention that those of us without electric mixers should not despair. I followed the all-butter recipe up top there in conjunction with Teresa Nielsen Hayden’s “Savory Pie For The First Day of Winter” (http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/009676.html). Mixing the butter in with my hands, and then mixing the water in with my hands, worked perfectly well. I may have used more water than the recipe calls for (6 tbsp? Really?) but the crust was flaky and light and perfect all the same.
I want to call attention to two tips I picked up from the aforementioned Making Light blog thread:
* Freeze the butter and then grate them on a cheese grater (being careful not to smoosh the results together as you continue grating; I grated them right onto the flour and periodically mixed them in as I went)
* Place your water in the freezer until it develops a thin skin of ice on top
These worked really well for me. I’m doing it again tonight, the so-called “first day of winter” (winter solstice) to make those savory pies.
Thank you for a really useful article!
I am trying to plan ahead for Thanksgiving and I am wondering if the all-butter crust can be frozen? I’ve never done that before…how would I go about it?
Note from Elise: Just roll out the pie dough and form the crust in the pie pan, then put it in the freezer. If you are freezing for more than a day or so, wrap it in plastic wrap and then aluminum foil first. You can also put the dough in the freezer before you roll it out, but then you will have to defrost it before using. A frozen pie crust you should use as is, without defrosting.
This page has been so helpful. I used to make pie crusts frequently when I was a kid for my mom. I must say, I did a fine job. However, I moved away about 8 years ago, and probably haven’t made a crust in about 10 years. I’m having Thanksgiving at my home this year for a total of 18 close relatives (first time roasting a turkey – should be interesting). I’m making three homemade pies, crust and all (even fresh pumpkin from a friend), and was a bit worried about my crust making skills. Thanks so much for the refresher course!
I freeze my crust before I blind-bake it, but it ALWAYS shrinks down the sides. why? I can’t figure out what I am doing wrong. Any tips?
After many years of successful pie crusts, I too am now having problems due to the new shortening formula. I ended up calling the shortening company, using the phone number on the can, and they said they have had many customers express concerns. She even said in their own test kitchens they have noticed the difference in the performance of the shortening. She said their bakers tried adding additional water to the recipe, though I attempted this and did not have much luck.
If you discover any solutions, please let us know – Thanksgiving is right around the corner!
Elise,I love all the pie crust recipes, and I just put a pie in the oven that used your Strawberry Rhubarb recipe. One question: have you tried using the no trans fat crisco? I’ve tried it twice for pie crusts, and both times the dough ended up too soft and malleable, even after refrigerating it overnight. The most disappointing part was when the top crust sort of collapsed in on the pie. Thankfully, it didn’t affect the flavor at all. I’m wondering if I need to reduce the amount of shortening, but I’m afraid that will make it dry, and changing the butter/shortening ratio would lose the benefits of less saturated fat. When I was a kid I made great all-crisco pie crusts, but now I’m not having any luck. I’d love to hear your thoughts.
When making fruit pies that leave the crust “soggy” crush about a half cup of corn flakes and sprinkle on the bottom of crust before adding the fruit. It absorbs the moisture and gives the crust a little more flavor.
Thanks Mary Beth for the tip on freezing pie crusts. Have you also tried freezing empanada crusts? I have this great recipe for empanada and would like to make it often with various types of filling.
I starting making pastry crust since I was 12 – 52 years ago – and I love making pies. To brown top crust, brush with whole egg, beaten with a little milk. I sometimes sprinkle top crust with a tablespoon of sugar for a pretty look. Good luck.
I have just begun making my own pie crusts. I would like to know how to get the top crust nice and golden brown without being hard as a rock (I make my crust using veg. oil and water).
It may that you are using a liquid oil, when they refer to shortening they mean solid, like lard or Crisco. Also, if you are overhandling the dough before placing the top layer on, you may be making it “tough” or hard. A very light wash makes the crust shiny, but it should brown on it’s own when baking.
I have a kitchen Aide Mixer and love it, however, I can tell you from years of experience a plain old Pastry Blender (an old tool still available today) has a handle and a 1/2 dozen little long blades, is the best and quickest way to make pie dough. Just chop it around in your flour with the butter, lard, shortening and in a minute or less you have the nice crumbs you are looking for.
Also we always add 1 to 2 tsp of cider vinegar to all of our pie doughs, it makes a really nice flakey crust.
This is a great recipe! Being a celiac(intolerant to gluten) I can’t buy frozen pie crusts. I make everything from scratch so I know exactly what I am eating. I just used arrowroot flour instead. I found mixing with a dough hook in a KitchenAid stand mixer best but hand kneading works well also.
FYI to all those without locked-and-loaded kitchen…
I make this crust by hand since I don’t have a mixer and it has always worked out really well
Has anyone heard of making pie crusts with pastry flour? I heard it works beauitfuly.
yes, we made our pie crusts in cooking school with pastry flour.
Personally, I believe you don’t need any kind of mixer at all! Just use a bowl, fork and rolling pin… it’s not hard and doesn’t take long. You need to get flour on your hands — otherwise why don’t you just buy the dough at the grocery?
TC — I agree 100%. I use a pastry cutter. I learned by using my hands, but prefer the pastry cutter, as the warmth of my hands tends to warm the butter. Cut in your shortening, and then add the butter.
Just linked on to this site and saw a question by Tom Kay.
Another way to not have a soggy bottom crust:
Whip an egg white and brush the bottom crust with the egg white. I am 75 years young and have made different pies for 55 years and have found this tip, I found long ago, to be “fantastic”. It works.
I think that this recipe are delightful. Thank you for this wonderful addition to the family pie. Now we have wonderful pie crust to go with our families delightful fillings! Thanks again! Miss Me
Response to Tom Kay, bake the pie crust a little while before putting in the filling.
How do I keep the bottom crust from becoming soggy during the bake?
The methods described here require a food processor. You can make pie dough with a stand mixer or a pastry cutter, or even two knives, but I don’t use those methods. You might try doing a search on Google for pie dough mixer and see what turns up.
I have a problem with this. I dont have a mixer with pulse. How do I make this without one? I really would like to make it. Thanks.
Very very old comment but… Susan, when I make scones, I grate frozen butter with a cheese grater. From some of the comments below, it sounds like that would work for this recipe too. =)
Hi Susan, from what i have found and others who have tried the pies i have made said they could not tell the difference between 2 pies of the same type where one of them i cut the butter small and used the food processor and the other i cut the butter small and used my hands to mix.the end result was exactly the same. you could still see small chunks of butter in the mix and the crust was just as flaky as if i had used a food processor.hope that helps.
Hi Susan,I used this recipe and the old fashioned method of using my hands to crumb in the butter and knead in the cold water. I used a rolling pin for the final steps. The crust came out just right.
We recently moved to a property with about a dozen fruit trees and a berry briar. I have always been a pie baker and maker of a pretty flaky pie crust (although not always the prettiest ones.) But with all this fresh fruit at hand, I decided the time had come to expand my crust-making expertise.
The best thing I’ve learned is this: Pie and pastry crust freezes beautifully!!!! I have found a recipe that makes four single crusts at a time. I wrap them individually and freeze them. When you need one, just move it to the fridge a day before you plan to use it. I understand the dough will stay in the freezer for six months or more. Although, mine never lasts that long.
I’ve also learned scratch biscuits freeze beutifully as well (after baking). Just wrap them individually and put them in a freezer bag.
With lots of company coming for the summer, I am making a freezer full of crusts and different doughs to be ready as the various ripen.
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